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aboooot -
Dear friends,
和 and 与 are interchangeable? Do they have the same meaning?
if they are used in the same sentence does it mean that they have a different level of
coordination? For example here
独特理念和建筑空间与形体语言
does it mean
unique ideas, space of the building and body language
or
unique ideas and language of the space of the building and the body ?
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foryou1437 -
,1.和 and 与 are interchangeable? Do they have the same meaning?
----------Yes. but to avoid the repeat of a word in a senetence in which more than one 和 are
needed, the both words are take. 和 is more colloquial than 与.
2.if they are used in the same sentence does it mean that they have a different level of
coordination? For example here
独特理念和建筑空间与形体语言
does it mean
unique ideas, space of the building and body language
or
unique ideas and language of the space of the building and the body ?
---------Ok , it is somehow complex. If unique ideas,space of the building and body language are
three independent parts respectively, 与 is of the upper coordination and 和is inferior. it
means "(unique ideas, space of the building) and (body language) " , but only of weak coordination
,almost equal to "unique ideas, space of the building and body language"
if the three parts arent independent respectively,space of the building and body are as a whole
adjective to modifty language. it means "(unique ideas), (language of building's space and body) "
, ...................
ok whether it is independent to others or not , and how independent it is are decided by ur
understanding of the sentence and the contex. Yes , a same sentence can have different meanings.
rabbitcookies -
Commonly they have same meaning “and”. Compared to “和”, “与” is more formal in
writing and basically nobody would use it orally.
If they are in one sentence, they could mean different levels or just use for avoiding repeating.
As for the sentence “独特理念和建筑空间与形体语言”, it will be easier to explain
it if you could give more context before and after it.
jbradfor -
Yale's Chinese Usage Dictionary (http://berlin.cls.yale.edu/chineseusagedictionary/) lists them as
more-or-less the same, with 与 being more formal:
http://www.cls.yale.edu/chineseusage...nary/0221.html
I'm not exactly sure how to translate that, but I would think it's more along the lines of
a language structure for new ideas and interior space
which makes no sense to me
aboooot -
I'm sorry I didn't give you the context.
This is the whole sentence
国家体育场设计中的独特理念和建筑空间与形体语言、运用的多种新材料�
��新技术、以及堪称世界级大工程所具有的前所未有的挑战性与复杂性，决�
�了必须采用不同于以往的、新的设计方法和新的组织管理方法等，才能出色
地完成设计任务。
also "body language" in this context doesn't make any sense to me...
foryou1437 -
"unique ideas, space of the building and body language"
--right .
rabbitcookies -
As my understanding “独特理念”,” 建筑空间”,” 形体语言”,”
运用的多种新材料和新技术,”
堪称世界级大工程所具有的前所未有的挑战性与复杂性” are at same level. All
of them “决定了…”
“和”, “与” and “以及” are just used to avoid repeating.
“形体语言” means the ways how architects organize volumes and shapes of different parts of
the building. It’s kind of body language of the building.
I hope it makes sense to you.
aboooot -
now it does, thank you all!!
monto -
When mentioning two things together, you may use either 和 or 与, as they are almost of the same
meaning. If we talk about the difference, maybe the TENDENCY of the words. By using 和, you make
the two things mentioned parallel while by 与 you make the two contrasted. The difference
sometimes is very slight and can be ignored, but sometimes get quite significant. For example
甲方和乙方与丙方的争论。。。。。。
Here, in the disbute, Party A and Party B are one side, and Party C the other.
aboooot -
Very clear,
Thank you!!
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